#7. Frank Schaeffer: Addiction to Certainty

Frank Schaeffer (author, artist) knows the toxic role our desire for certainty can play in religion and politics. He has seen it at its worst, and experienced the freedom of letting it go. In our conversation, he talks about how addicting it can be, how it has led us to the age of Trump and the beauty and wonder that can come on the other side of it.

Check out his latest book Why I Am an Atheist Who Believes in God and find out more at frankschaeffer.com

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